Curse

Jongo River · Dec 22, 2006, 10:44 AM // 10:44

The solution, imo, is to not allow teams to stay together. It seems that once a good team "happens", they own anyone who tries to get into the game. That's not my idea of fun. Speeding it up and making it more frantic might help, too.

I played several sessions yesterday and didn't win once. I was getting better - taking down carriers and scoring myself, but it doesn't matter if the rest of the team isn't performing.

I'm sorry, I don't want to whine - the event is great in terms of atmosphere, I can see a lot of effort has gone in, but *that* game is just not fun.

vaxmor · Dec 22, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

if you cant hack it in random snowball arena, what makes you think youll be able to handle in organised snowball arena?

L2P

aron searle · Dec 22, 2006, 11:08 AM // 11:08

I think there are alot of people like me playing, who dont care about winning or strategy, but just running about fragging people.

I assume like last year you have to run presents to gain points, i think ill just set myself to offline (so i dont get hate PM's calling me noob), and just run about fragging.

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Yes, but to learn you need to listen to advice and directions of more exp players.

Its the snowball arena, suprisingly enough alot of people dont take it very seriosly and dont care one bit about playing as we "should", thats what the real pvp modes are for.

glountz · Dec 22, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

I don't think a TA snowball is the key, the key is removing gamer points so nobody complain about "noobs" as there are no reward for winning but fun.

Gen Saver · Dec 22, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

i had 53 consecutive wins yesterday
than i had to leave cause i had dinner and when i came back i faced the party i was in before and they were on about 61 consecutive wins

Seltack · Dec 22, 2006, 11:51 AM // 11:51

Mainly had incapable teams. Been in several where one or two know what to do but the third "dead weight" makes winning against competent people difficult. Good examples include body blocking people with presents and then dual running a present to prevent us losing it. Bad examples include people making no attempt to stop the opposition. Main problem is that people 1. Stand around killing people. 2. The whole team tries to cap one present for the hole match while one player on the other team can easily run in 5 presents Oo.

Too frustrating for me, and 3 CC shards don't cut it at as a reward for the inordinate amount of rage caused, much worse than playing RA, much worse than PUG HA, much worse than anything. Maybe if they were handing out 3k per match...

C2K · Dec 22, 2006, 12:09 PM // 12:09

I don't blame the newbies. I blame the leechers. If they didn't have to ruin the fun, perhaps the losing side could get some compensation.

Lame leechers ruining the fun yet again.

trobinson97 · Dec 22, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by glountz

I don't think a TA snowball is the key, the key is removing gamer points so nobody complain about "noobs" as there are no reward for winning but fun.

Yep yep, my agreement is wholehearted. The real problem is people take this game way too seriously. Everyone wants to "'own" and get titles to show other people how "great" they are. It's a video game people. Barring the simulation type games used to train in the military they are made to be fun! It's a snowball fight, not Heroes Ascent. You just can't have nowadays can you? No, you have to find some negative to say about someone else because you aren't getting your "Skillz" title as quickly as you'd like, or you didn't get any candy cane shards. Grow up.

My only complaint about the snowball fights are that all the characters aren't dressed in big bubble jackets, ear muffs and snow boots. That would have been ace. Ah, memories of a childhood long gone.

Engel the Fallen · Dec 22, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

While some may have fun playing a game with a win condition that you cannot win because you are stuck in a team who will not try to complete said condition, most people just find it annoying.

I mean, one or two of your team is AFK getting easy faction, one or two is running around like an idiot, and teams either go on till they are bored, or knocked out in one round. Not my idea of fun. Then again pugging UW or FoW with noobs was not my idea of fun either.

Amity and Truth · Dec 22, 2006, 01:58 PM // 13:58

There is only one thing i seriously don't like about the Snowfights. Avalanche >>>>> Yellow Snow. Other than that, i'm having fun and whenever i recognize a "leet flamer" from shouting newbie insults earlier in the district, i will make sure to send him some special gifts in the match should i meet him.

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Omega X · Dec 22, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by glountz

I don't think a TA snowball is the key, the key is removing gamer points so nobody complain about "noobs" as there are no reward for winning but fun.

Best suggestion ever for holiday arenas.

Burst Cancel · Dec 22, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Playing with people who don't share the same mentality and skill level as you is frustrating whether there's a reward or not. It's not fun for casual players to play with serious players, and it's not fun for serious players to play with casual players. The casual players will be wondering why their teammates are so anal about something that's supposed to be 'for fun', and the serious players will be wondering why their teammates are all ****ing idiots.

Separating the snowball fight into RA and TA would provide each type of player their own game, just like RA and TA do now. The casual players can screw around in RA to their hearts' content, and the serious players after titles, shards, and real competition can go to TA.

Jetdoc · Dec 22, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

I've been in teams with several players who had no clue what to do.

Yes, they were all W/Mo.

That's funny - the poorest players in the Snowball fight I've seen so far are Necromancers. They seem to be in love with the Holiday Blues skill, and like to kill themselves even while at full health.

Bastian · Dec 22, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

Playing with people who don't share the same mentality and skill level as you is frustrating whether there's a reward or not. It's not fun for casual players to play with serious players, and it's not fun for serious players to play with casual players. The casual players will be wondering why their teammates are so anal about something that's supposed to be 'for fun', and the serious players will be wondering why their teammates are all ****ing idiots.

Separating the snowball fight into RA and TA would provide each type of player their own game, just like RA and TA do now. The casual players can screw around in RA to their hearts' content, and the serious players after titles, shards, and real competition can go to TA.

Absolutely!

Some people play games for fun, regardless of their wins.

Some people look at playing games as fun as long as you are winning.

Seperating those two would make both parties happy.

On a seperate note, I ended up in a great group last night where we were all r3/6+. After 2 wins we all jumped on vent and continued to "pwn" people til we got bored. This was great, but always ended in a "gg".

Giga Strike · Dec 22, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

ya, there are alot of noobs around. which is why you should stop crying and find a way to fight better in it. or just keep trying and maybe you'll get lucky.

blastm · Dec 22, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

leechers aside, i see more and more players using wells and wards..
how is that possible?

MasterThrawn · Dec 22, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

I had the same problem with teams not knowing what they were doing, but than again I didn't really know myself. After a few matches though I caught on, and went on a streak with a team for 12 consecutive wins. It's fun - no need to get frustrated - the thing you have to remember is once a team gets on a streak they stick together until they lose. You probably have been fighting winning teams. You'll get a good team - just have fun.

Apharot · Dec 22, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Xiaxhou of Trinity

Yes, because this is all your game, made entirely for you, the rest of us just borrow it. We didn't pay money for it at all, like you did. Right?

EDIT: Summed up the quote that I used of yours with a shorter version

Navaros · Dec 22, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Original poster is spot on with the original post.

The problem is that Snowball Arena requires masses of Presearing-level PVE players to perform R9+ PVP Player Relic Run skills. Obviously this is a leap of skill so grand that it requires a miracle that in reality, will almost never happen.

They should allow you to choose your teams in Snowball Arena so that good players are not forced time after time to group with masses of Presear-level players who are incapable of competing in Snowball Arena properly.

Alternatively, they could simply remove the presents/relic run aspect of the game entirely and have it actually just be a simple snowball fight.

Doing either of those things would lessen the frustration for good players by about 100 billion fold.

OlMurraniKasale · Dec 22, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I'm a snowball noob, I couldn't really care who wins/loses, and I certainly don't give more than a cursory moment to what the skill description actually says. I throw my snowballs, have fun and that's that.

I only just realized that armor meant nothing, so I have now started to frolick without such encumberances . . ..